|Reader Feedback on OS X 10.4.9 Update
Reports last Updated: 5/4/2007 (CPU Director update for 10.4.9)
Updated 6/22/2007 for Security Update 2007-006 info/links
This page has reader reports on specific improvements, problems or compatibility issues with the 10.4.9 update. (Note: Rebooting clean before applying the update is worth doing and I do not use the Mac for anything until the update is completely installed (including Optimizing/prebinding phase). Cautious users generally prefer to update using the (correct type) "Combo" updater and some even suggest running RP before and after the update as well. Checking the disk for errors, disconnecting any connected devices (FW/USB) and checking the author's site of any 3rd party haxies, drivers, addons, etc. you have installed before applying a version update is also highly recommended. If in doubt - remove 3rd party haxies/addons, etc. before updating. I'd never tried it before personally but one reader said he ran the update from a "safe boot" (shift key down/single user mode I assume) Some have noted that resetting the PMU helped with some odd problems also.
FYI - Unsanity has an article on How Installing Apple's Updates can Render Your Mac Unbootable and How You Can Prevent it - that article stresses *leave the mac alone until the Optimizing (pre-binding) is completely finished*.
And BTW - not to preach on this but remember HAVING A BOOTABLE BACKUP of your current drive is worth the cost of an external FW/USB case and drive. (If your time and data is worth anything at all...)
For details on the update see About the Mac OS X 10.4.9 Update (delta) and
About the security content of Mac OS X 10.4.9 and Security Update 2007-003
If you find 10.4.9 fixes or breaks anything, let me know the details (include mac model info also - thanks)
Security Update 2007-006 (6/22/2007) Available via Software Update or these download links:
See About Security Update 2007-006 for details on WebCore and WebKit fixes. (NOTE A couple 10.4.10 users said this update did not appear in Software Update/would not apply using the download, but it does show up in Software Update/applies on my G5 running 10.4.10 (as well as a friend's Intel-CPU macs w/10.4.10). The Apple docs for the PPC download and "About" the update note 10.4.9 or later, although the Universal D/L page says 10.4.9 (not "or later" - I thought that was a typo/omission). One of those saying it would not install in 10.4.10 also said he installed the Safari 3.0.2 beta (which has Webkit security fixes) but one reader that said it wouldn't install on 10.4.10 later said he had not installed Safari 3 - and was running a G4 tower. He later wrote that installing/removing Sarari 3.0.2 beta resulted in the Security Update appearing in SU. Bizarre...)
Apple posts 'version 1.1' of Security Update 2007-005 for Tiger: (May 30th, 2007) Apple released a "version 1.1" of the 2007-005 Security Update for OS X Tiger ( Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 (PPC) and Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 (Universal)) and revised the related About Security Update 2007-005 today with this note on v1.1:
Note: Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 was released to remove a configuration file that prevented the BIND service from automatically starting after applying the security update. The BIND service is not enabled on default configurations, and is mainly used with a Server system. For systems using BIND which applied Security Update 2007-005, manually re-enabling the BIND service will correct the issue.
Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 made no changes to the security content of Security Update 2007-005. Systems that have applied Security Update 2007-005 do not need to apply Security Update 2007-005 v1.1.
They also have a related doc Mac OS X Server 10.4: DNS Service does not start automatically after installing Security Update 2007-005 (v1.0).
Security Update 2007-005 (May 24, 2007) Available via software update or the download pages below. For detailed information, see Apple's About Security Update 2007-005 doc. (Also available for OS X 10.3.9 client/server.)
As mentioned in the docs, the previous Security Update 2007-004 has also been incorporated into this security update.
Security Update 2007-004 version 1.1 On May 1st, 2007 Apple posted a 'version 1.1' of the previously released (April 19th) 2007-004 Security Update. It's available via software update (see note below) or at these download pages:
Apple's security updates page also has a link to a doc About Security Update 2007-004 v1.1. That doc notes:
Mac OS X 10.4.9 (client) and Mac OS X Server 10.3.9 systems that have
installed Security Update 2007-004 do not require Security Update 2007-004
v1.1. If the security update has not yet been installed on these systems,
then they should be updated using Security Update 2007-004 v1.1.
(There's also a Security Update 2007-004 v1.1 for 10.3.9 Client.)
Apple Docs on 10.4.9: (later added items first)
Reader Reports on 10.4.9: (later posts first)
If you find any pros or cons with the 10.4.9 update, let me know. (Remember as with any OS X version update, check your 3rd party addons first for any updates or developer notes on 10.4.9 compatibility. If you see a problem, include the version(s) of any 3rd party software addons/drivers, haxies, startup/login items, etc. you're using. PL CPU Director users note that every Tiger update has broken the current version
Keep in mind there's probably thousands of users ok for everyone that reports a problem but that's little consolation
for those that do see problems. FYI - Unsanity has an article on How Installing Apple's Updates can Render Your Mac Unbootable and How You Can Prevent it - *leave the Mac alone until the Optimizing (pre-binding) is completely finished*. (See notes at top of page regarding what cautious users do before applying an OS version update and remember HAVING A BOOTABLE BACKUP of your current drive is worth the cost of an external FW/USB case and drive if your time and data is worth anything at all and especially worth doing before an OS X version update.)
CPU Director Updated for 10.4.9 Compatibility: (5/4/2007) Jamie sent word that CPU Director 2.3b6 with support for OS X 10.4.9 is available now at http://www.powerlogix.com/products/cpudirector/.
I've not seen it personally and don't think it's common but there were a couple reports of Display Corruption/Artifacts after
the 10.4.9 update. See these news page posts:
As a FYI (keep a current backup of your boot drive to avoid having to do this), the April 12th, 2007 news page had some notes on 10.4.9 User Accts not preserved when reinstalling 10.4.0 (archive/restore).
Patch for external drive DVD Movie playback with no internal DVD drive The Oct. 4th, 2006 news page had info on a 10.4.8 (Manual) Patch for external drive DVD Movie playback (w/no internal DVD drive). Here's the info on patching 10.4.9 (using Hexedit or Resorcerer, etc.)
Note: The offsets below are from the PPC code (not the Intel version, but all intel-CPU
Macs shipped with at least a combo drive inside.)
"The file to be changed is: (backup before editing.)
and the changes are (in red):
4082 0020 80A1 0040 3860 0000 7CA4 F430
-> 4082 0020 38A0 0000 3860 0000 7CA4 F430
4E80 0020 7C48 02A6 429F 0005 BE01 FFC0 7FE8 02A6
-> 4E80 0020 3860 0000 4E80 0020 BE01 FFC0 7FE8 02A6
Editing the file needs naturally Admin rights."
You may also want to run repair permissions after editing an OS file like this.
I had the problem where the unit does not boot up this morning, and have found a fix.
The 10.4.9 installer does not always clean up properly after itself and due to that the install does not complete and it gets stuck in a loop. To fix this reboot your mac and hold Command+S at the chime
When you get the prompt type: mount -uw /
then rm /etc/rc.installer_cleanup - type reboot and then you are sweet.
Hope you can post this so it may help other people.
thanks, Matthew H."
Apple doc on FCP 4.5 (and earlier) and FC express 3.0 (and earlier) issues w/10.4.9 Apple has a knowledge base doc on problems (dropped frames on capture) with FCP 4.5 (and earlier) and Final Cut Express 3.0 (and earlier) in OS X 10.4.9, saying "Currently, Apple is recommending against running Final Cut Pro 4.5 or Final Cut Express 3.0 in Mac OS X 10.4.9."
"I have not been able to restart (gray screen, spinning thing) since
Last night. I went from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 on a G4 733/(upgraded cpu to
1.83 years ago) 1gb ram.
(1.83GHz CPU? (7447A?) ever had any problems (freezes, KP's, crashes) with that speed/upgrade? (as 7447's are almost
always overclocked and sometimes may not be 100% rock solid reliable, at least in heavy use)-Mike)
I can not start up from another disk, or
from an internal slave drive with system software on it, or from an
install disk as the key board is not responding at all (can not reset
PRAM or any other keyboard related function). Holding mouse button
during startup will open cd tray door for putting in osx install
disk, Disk Warrior, home made boot disk but I can not access any of
them due to keyboard not responding. I have tried Fire wire target
disk mode with my MacBook to no avail. Aside from ripping out the
hard drive and putting another one in there to boot it up I am at a
loss. Gray screen and spinning icon goes on forever (left it on for
14 hours to see if it would finally start but it did not).
(Have you tried resetting the PMU? (normally a small button near the
motherboard battery - press it down (firmly) only once (not twice in a row
as apple says that can cause rapid battery drain). If it's an old battery
while you're in there check the voltage on it (in ckt/under load). I've several times
had resetting the PMU fix systems that would not even power on (even stock systems that had not had an OS X update
applied) But from the comments below, the boot drive was corrupted it seems.-Mike)
PS: That is what I had to do. Made the bad hard disk
the slave and started up from a second internal drive.
(FYI - If the slave drive had a bootable OS on it, booting with the Option key held down at boot will show 'buttons' basically of all bootable disks it finds, and you could select the slave drive
to boot from, without needing to change master/slave jumper settings.-Mike)
Info'ed the bad disk and it shows only 39 gb space left out of 120 gb total. The
39 is empty. Used disk utility to repair (repair disk, not just permissions right?) and fix permissions but only
39gb available. Needless to say this is not a hard drive that I would
trust. The rest of the data is gone! I had a recent backup so I
tried erasing the disk to see what would happen. It only recognizes
(Have you tried repartitioning it to try and get everything, including a new
partition map written? I once had a drive (many years ago) that crashed
and the only way I could get it clean was to format it for a PC, then reformat
back to a Mac. However if the drive is physically damaged (head crash, electronics
failure, etc.) that won't help of course.)
Tell folks that just because it has not happened to them does not
mean the rest of us are crazy.
With every OS X update (many many many many times) there's always been users that saw problems where others didn't. I wince at every OS X version update, as I know a certain percentage of users are going to have problems (sometimes major ones). See above for an article from unsanity on what may be one reason for this - failures during pre-binding. Although the old tips above (top of page) can help minimize the chance of problems, I think one reader had a good idea - installing from a 'safe' boot. (I'd never tried that personally, but I rarely have had OS X update problems knock on wood...)
"I have successfully updated 2 laptops (15" PB G4 1.64 GHz, 1.5 MB,
and 12" PB 867 MHz G4, 640 MB) from 10.4.7 to 10.4.9 with no
problems. All apps. open and run as they should; printing works for
all apps; CanoScan toolbox works with LIDE 25 scanner; no problems
with Keynote or PowerPoint files.
Followed this procedure:First create a backup of your startup volume.
Drag the folder com.apple.SoftwareUpdate located in /Library/Caches
(the Library folder at the root level of your hard drive) to the trash.
Download the combo updater of Mac OS X 10.4.x and save it for later.
Launch Disk Utility and perform a "Repair Disk Permissions" operation.
Startup (restart) from the the Disk Warrior CD and use it to "Rebuild
Directory/Repair Disk". Restart when finished.
Run Tiger Cache Cleaner -> Caches -> Light -> Local & System Caches
Again restart, this time booting from your normal startup volume,
while holding the "Shift" key to boot in Safe Mode (this may take a
minute or two).
Apply Mac OS X 10.4.x and restart when prompted, this time without
holding the "Shift" key.
Restart twice, then launch Disk Utility and perform a "Repair Disk
Permissions" operation. Restart once again, another restart or two
may be needed until the loading speed of menu bar items returns to
Everything is working well.
"I have a G5 Dual 2.7 GHz with 8 GB of ram, a 500 GB nd a 750 GB HD,
and a Radeon X800 video card with 256 MB of vram. This Mac has always
been rock stable, although a couple of months ago I tried booting it
from its original OS DVD (10.4.0) and oddly got a kernel panic for
the first time ever. This also happened with the retail DVD for OS
10.4.0, but a 10.4.3 DVD boots the G5 fine. Apple has been unable to
figure out a fix and I'm due for a service call. Anyhow, I have not
had any previous problems with Apple updates and figured that I'd be
OK with proceeding with the 10.4.9 update from my current 10.4.8. I
Of course, I repaired permissions first, and used the combo update.
After the usual double restart, the G5 booted OK, but my menus were
missing from the right-hand side of the menu bar. These include
Spotlight, the clock and all other System Preferences, and the
third-party apps Alias Menu and ASM. (Note: there's now a v2.1.8 update
to ASM (Application Switcher Menu ) for 10.4.9 compat.-Mike) Checking the "Show in menu bar"
checkbox for the various System Preference had no effect and the
check boxes reverted to unchecked status after any restart. So I
repaired permissions and restarted, but without any effect upon the
problem. I tried zapping the PRAM and also booting into Open Firmware
and doing the usual (reset-nvram, set-defaults, reset-all) without
any benefits. I tried redoing the update using the incremental
update--no help--then retried the combo update--no help.
So I then replaced my entire user preferences folder with a known good one from
a backup. No help again. Then I went to
System/Library/CoreServices/MenuExtras and double clicked the
Clock.menu, a step that should have signaled the SystemUIServer.app
to put the clock in the menu bar, but that didn't help. In fact, none
of the menu extras affected anything when double clicked. I played
with the Alias Menu app to no avail. I did note that the Timbuktu
icon showed up OK and had been showing up OK. I tried Tiger Launch
and that worked fine as did MenuCal. So some things would present
working menus in the right-hand portion of the menu bar and others,
including all the System Preferences, did not. I tried extracting
several files from the disk image of the OS 10.4.8 combo update and
installing these in their default locations. And then I repaired
permissions and did the prebinding, but nothing helped. I also tried
extracting a considerable series of replacements for the potential
culprits, but must not have hit upon the right replacement. I ended
up doing an archive and install to OS 10.4.3 and then updating to
10.4.8. That went OK once I dug out several things that needed to be
moved from the "Previous System" to the new one (including
certificates) and reinstalling some 3rd-party drivers. After reading
about the many difficulties encountered by others, I figure I'll
stick with my working 10.4.8. Along the way, and while I was still
having problems, I found a firmware update to my X800 video card, but
that didn't seem to help anything. This whole episode may be a case
of there being a hardware problem, but my original OS 10.4.0 DVD did
boot to the hardware test OK, and my G5 passed that test perfectly
just a few days ago. I guess that I'll know a bit more after getting
my Apple service, but I am certainly puzzled to say the least.
Oh, I forgot that I also tried installing "menu extras helper", but
it didn't make a difference.
"I finally got around to updating my 12"PB G4 1.5G with 1.25 GB ram,
DL Superdrive and 120BG HD. All went well. One reboot. No issues
"Someone wrote on 3/15:
"The biggest differences are that it runs much slower (around 2 mins until login appears, used to be around 20 seconds) (reboot a few times as sometimes this is kext cache related), hotter (about 5 degrees just idling), and now the internal airport card doesn't work properly. It hangs, drops connection, or only connects very slowly (like 1mbps but don't quote me on that). I have also tested with the other 5 PCs at my house (all but 2 are Apple and all are wireless) and they work fine on my network as did my Powerbook before the update so I can't blame the router/modem."
I have exactly the same problem now with my G4 Powerbook; wireless connectivity, even when in the same room with my Airport station, is very poor now after installing the update, and it often has trouble even finding my home page. My other two computers (an eMac and G5 iMac) are fine.
"I've tried my webcam (VEO Stingray) with 10.4.9. It does not work. I
get a "camera nor connected" message in iChat (and Skype). Is there a
list of supported webcams available from Apple?
Not that I know of. I've had several Logictec webcam users report
their models worked (see reports below).
4th Logitec Webcam user to report it worked in 10.4.9 w/o drivers
(although again users of other brands so far haven't been as lucky)
"I know it's been sort of supported ever since webcams appeared in
Macbooks, but now it seems it's really robust support. I just went
out and bought a Logitech Fusion webcam and now my g/f in California
get's to see me as well :)
I wrote to Logitech thanking them for supporting standards and asking
them to write some software for the webcam.
I had 3 Logitec Ultra Vision webcam users say it also worked in 10.4.9.
"Just installed 10.4.9 and everything is fine, but the volume control
from the keyboard was not working. So I reset the MAC PRO
Press and hold the power button on your Mac Pro until the power
indicator light flashes repeatedly, then release the power button to
begin. This fixed it.
ASM - Apps Switcher Menu 2.1.8 Update for 10.4.9
"10.4.9 finally broke ASM 2.1.7 (Apps Switcher Menu - ala the OS 9 Apps menu
item that I sorely missed in OS X. ASM has been one of my favorite (and most productive personally)
addons for OS X-Mike) as 10.4.8 hadn't affected it's
operation one bit...The Dock Items menu is no longer
funcitonal...Just love this haxie...I've emailed Frank, but so far,
no updates on the website...
Still irks me that my G5 Quad won't play the Startup Chime through external speakers... Guess Apple has it's reasons.
Otherwise, with proper maintenance (Applejack or Onyx) the 10.4.9
Combo Updater (PPC) created no other problems with my Quad, or my
aging Pismo...Startup times and App launching seem to be a bit
faster...Guess this is the last till Leopard...
(later in the day he wrote)
...Clicked the ASM icon (in SysPrefs > About) this
afternoon, and was taken to... http://www.vercruesse.de/software -
ASM 2.1.8 came immediately after clicking 'Downloads'...
Frank is really on the case, as all is fixed on the Quad, now in
10.4.9. Uninstalled 2.1.7 from the Pref Pane. Just love the Dock
Menu, allowing navigation to specific windows in any app...also use
ASM to keep track of the StartUp drive..."It's Your Choice" naming
Used Applejack before install, and always Repair Permissions
after...always do the Combo Updater regardless...Fans seem more
stable, in fact, GPU (nVidia 7800) is running almost 12 degrees
cooler - on Automatic. Aperture still spins up those fans and
temps go 20-30 degrees higher - CPU B Core 2 is always 15 degrees (Farenheit)
higher than the others. I still think there is a thermal sensor bug in these Quads.
Apple has closed most threads in Discussions, on the subject.
3rd QuickCam Ultra Vision user to say it was PnP in 10.4.9 (although owners of some
other webcams were not as successful)
"I just bought a Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision webcam and plugged it
into my MacPro 2x3 GHz Dual-Core Intel which had already been
upgraded to 10.4.9.
It worked at once without a problem, both video and audio.
I have tried it with iChat video, QuickTime Pro record -- no problem.
I have not figured out how to get access to the controlling software
(Rightlight for lighting control; RightSound for audio control; other
features advertised for the QuickCam Ultra Vision) and maybe I
cannot: these could be only Windows features in this regard requiring
the Windows drivers. Don't know. Will keep researching.
Just like the basic support for USB audio cards/devices with CoreAudio, I think you'd need
addon/vendor specific software to use the advanced features/controls.
Have updated 12 systems so far without the first problem. The units
range from G4 AGP's with upgrade cards to G5 DP.
I just upgraded from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 on my Mac and Idefisk (Asterisk
Free SoftPhone running under IAX protocol) is now unable to receive
Idefisk is seen UNREACHABLE with de CLI command "iax2 show peers" of
Asterisk (qualify = yes in the iax.conf).
Prior to upgrading, everything was working AOK.
I checked firewall settings, but this one is stopped. Looks like UDP
port 4569 on the Mac is locked for incoming traffic.
Machine is Intel MacPro 2.66GHz with 4BG of RAM.
Did you receive any other report?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
"As noted in another (earlier) user report, my APC UPS was no longer recognized
after updating to 10.4.9 (the PPC delta version). This was true for
each of the 3 systems I updated (Two G5 iMacs and a G4 Mini). While
unplugging and reconnecting the USB cable caused the UPS units to be
again recognized by the Energy Saver, a subsequent shut down and
power up would result in another loss in communication with the UPS
device(s) (forcing yet another disconnect and reconnect of the USB
APC UPS models are Back-UPS XS 800 (same as Eric's) and Back-UPS LS 700 (x 2).
I have not tried to install and test APC's control software
(since OS X worked fine in controlling the UPS units prior to this
update), nor have I tried to reinstall the update with the delta or
combo. Other than this glitch .... the update was uneventful with all
three of my PPC systems.
I wrote Eric, who had reported a similar UPS problem earlier (disconnect/reconnect solved it) to
ask if he'd try a shutdown/restart to see if the problem reappeared. He said it didn't:
"No problems after a power cycle. UPS still shows up as does the icon on the menu bar.
"I too got stuck with the grey Mac screen after the 10.4.9 combo updater. Ran repair permission before and after the update. Computer restarted fine after the update and I continued working on Thursday. On Friday morning, computer would not start at all. Got to the grey Apple screen and just sat there. Would not boot with the shift key down either. Re-installed the OS and am back running 10.4.8 where I was happy to be anyway.
(what mac model??)
G5 Dual Core 2.0 4.5GB ram all else stock.
"I have a new MAC Mini (1.83GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM).
After performing the 10.4.9 update I've noticed that Preview will
no longer save an image in its rotated (e.g. "rotate left") view.
"Follow-up to my failed 10.4.9 install on my PowerMac G5 1.8 DP. (earlier report)
After my data sync finished, I CCC'd the backup disk to the original
and then re-downloaded the 10.4.9 update, re-applied and rebooted.
All was well. It seems that maybe I had an actual problem with my
original disk that the new CCC corrected on my backup disk (since if
formated before it copied).
(FYI - I had a friend with a MacBook report major problems
last week with CCC v3 beta 5.-Mike)
Anyways, I guess my process will from now be:
1) Dup original disk to backup disk BEFORE applying any update
2) Make sure that the original and backup disks can both boot
3) Make sure both disks pass a permission and disk verification.
4) Apply the update to the original disk
5) Validate the system boots to the new update
6) Wait a couple days before imaging to the backup disk!
"I tried installing this on my Clamshell iBook (G3/366) which was running
10.4.8 perfectly and it hosed it up completely. I used the 10.4.9 combo
Part way through the installation it said there were errors during the
installation and to try to install it again. I could not however as it would kernel
panic on each restart. I also tried booting with the shift key held down but
that did not work either. The odd thing was that disk utility did not report any
problems with the file system.
I am currently erasing the HD and I am going to reinstall 10.4.0 and
then try the combo updater again. I am doing this in target disk mode as the
iBook only has a CD drive.
I took my ibook back to 10.4.0 and reapplied the 10.4.9 combo update and
it now boots and is working normally. I also ran software update and
installed the remaining updates for QT, iTunes and some java updates and all is
"Hello, I installed a clean system and after the instalation I rebooted
the computer, (What Mac model???) installed the 10.4.9 update from System Update and the
system neved started again. I can see the apple logo while system loads
and then a blue screen, I can move the mouse but anything else. I tried
to repair the disk and the permissions but nothing works.
I had the same problem trying to upgrade from 10.4 to 10.4.8, and
upgrading from 10.4 to 10.4.9 via combo installer. Now I have reset
nvram and PRAM but I get the same unexpected problem.
(What mac model???)
I have a PowerMac G5 DP 1,8GHz, 2Gb DDR and Two 300GB HD working separately (FW drives??). Today I have been running Apple Hardware Test, with no errors, and an hour before I tried to format again, install OS and update the system installing one actualization per one. When updating iTunes, Software Update crashes... it's very strange.
There's another iTunes update today (7.1.1).
"I used the 10.4.9 Combo PPC Updater to update from 10.4.8 to 10.4.9
on my Power Mac G4 Digital Audio. Everything seems fine EXCEPT that
my eject key (on the keyboard) is not as responsive. (This (delay) was mentioned in an earlier report. Update - Apple now has a kbase doc on this - see OS X 10.4.9: Media Eject key delay-Mike)
Before the update I could tap the key and the optical drive would
eject). Now I have to hold the key down briefly.
Yes, I tried my spare keyboard, and got the same results. Both
keyboards are Apple Pro Keyboards, not off-brands. I'm not aware of
any software that I am running that could interfere with the eject key.
Anyone else seen this issue?
Yes, see comments below.
"I'm running 10.4.9 on a 15" 1.67 Ghz PPC G4 with 1.5 GB RAM.
I'm noticing that when I launch an application and then try to hide
the application, the "Hide" choice is greyed out until I click on the
Finder icon in the Dock and then click back on the application. Annoying...
Anyone else experiencing this quirk?
Thanks, Geoffrey R.
Not that I've heard mentioned yet (most others writing on problems mention more
(added 3/16/2007 - updated 3/17)
"20in iMac 2.0GHz Core Duo, 512MB RAM, iSight no longer works within Photo Booth. Haven't tried with iChat. (take a second to try that, just to confirm the camera is working with something-Mike) Anyone else have this issue?
(he later wrote)
Resetting the PMU fixed it.
Thanks, Steve S.
"Installed the 10.4.8 -> 10.4.9 update via Software Update on my 20in
iMac (2GHz Intel Core Duo) and the machine no longer boots; it just
sits at the gray pinwheel screen. No startup chime, no POST error
beeps or LED activity, no single-user mode, no target disk mode, no
boot from CD, :-( The only effect from resetting the SMC is that the
fans now run full-speed while the machine doesn't boot.
(he later wrote)
After more trying, I did get into target disk mode (yay :-)
"While I haven't yet tried the Combo update to repair the situation, the
incremental update certainly crippled the shortcuts for
reboot/shutdown/poweroff (Cntl+Cmd+Eject = reboot).
The update also breaks the functionality of the keyboard's "disc eject"
button. (Did you hold it down for a second? An earlier report mentioned
a less responsive/delay in Eject key function. Apple now has a OS X 10.4.9: Media Eject key delay doc with info on this.-Mike)
I frequently boot between Debian's "Etch" and 10.4 on both Macs.
Same keyboard behavior on MDD Dual 1Ghz G4 as well as G4 Mini 1.5Ghz
Keyboard shortcuts are broken whether the keyboard is connected to a
dedicated USB port, or USB hub/card.
(he later wrote)
You are correct. Seems to take a second or two more these days for
"keyboard shortcuts" to be executed. Thanks! And thank you for maintaining such a respectable Mac resource for the
Logic user Tip for Audio Unit Validation problems w/Univ. Plugins on PPC Systems
Yesterday's reports had comments on 10.4.9 and Audio Unit Validation problems with Universal Plugins on PPC Systems. A Logic user wrote with a tip:
"I had the same problem in Logic Pro so I ran the Logic AU manager
(in Logic preferences) and in the Logic AU manager window I was
able to check (turn on ) the non-working plug-ins. You still get a
incompatible message but you just click OK and they all show up and
they work !! Hope this helps.
Regards, Rob B."
I sent a copy of the above to "Juno" (the Waves plugin user) and he said that he used that tip to 'sorta enable them' so to speak - and that the Waves support page now has a warning on this:
Mac OS 10.4.9 is not supported and causes Waves plug-ins to malfunction.
Do not install Mac OS 10.4.9 until further notice"
"Performed an uneventful update from 10.4.8 on my Pismo yesterday
afternoon. The only "special" preparation was to start the update
from a "Safe Boot" configuration. My perception is that everything
is noticeably more responsive under 10.4.9 for this older generation
"I ran the 10.4.9 update last night from 10.4.8. I am using a Powerbook G4
2gHz, (2GHz PowerBook?? Are you really using a MacBook/MacBook Pro?) 1GB RAM, and no third party apps that would run on startup to conflict
(they shouldn't be running in the background either).
The biggest differences are that it runs much slower (around 2 mins until
login appears, used to be around 20 seconds) (reboot a few times as sometimes this is kext cache related), hotter (about 5 degrees just idling), and now the internal airport card doesn't work properly. It hangs,
drops connection, or only connects very slowly (like 1mbps but don't quote
me on that). I have also tested with the other 5 PCs at my house (all but 2
are Apple and all are wireless) and they work fine on my network as did my
Powerbook before the update so I can't blame the router/modem.
I think the one thing they need to add/fix with the Mac OS is a function to
roll back updates. (agreed, even something like Windows' 'restore point' feature, but also remember that
if your data and time are worth anything, having a current Backup of your
boot disk is one of the best (and basic) rules to follow - and can be priceless. I see tons of people send much more $$$ on other devices, addons, software, etc. and yet won't spend the money (or time) to keep a current backup. But at times I have also been guilty of not taking the time to backup every work system.-Mike)
That way instead of doing a restore I could just go back to the way things were before the update broke my machine's functionality.
As much as I hate to say it that is one thing Microsoft got right (well, as
right as they can I guess.).
Good luck to everyone else. I will not install updates anymore until
researching the results other people have experienced. Now if you will
excuse me I have to go buy a USB wireless adapter so I can use my
paperweight laptop again.
Best Regards, Adam M"
(added 3/15/2007 - updated 3/19/2007)
"I installed 10.4.9 on my iMac Dual Core and the system no longer allows
me to login (but all background services such as SSH are working
properly.) I tried the Software Update version first with the results
above, then tried the Combo update (after restoring 10.4.8 from my
backup drive) and the results were the same. The login screen never
appears, but the system is working in the backend. For a third time, I
restored 10.4.8 and removed all startup items and Application Support
files that were not included with the OS, tried installing the Combo
update and still get the same results (I removed these thinking that
Parallels or VMWare might be the problem.)
I am now restoring 10.4.8 again, but will try to install onto my backup
drive from now on, until I can find or someone else finds a fix.
(Update - on 3/19 he wrote)
After going through the issues I had on my original update install , I
decided to try the following, which has worked perfectly:
1. Used original system disks (10.4.4) to install OSX on the main
drive, told the installer to keep user settings
2. Installed combo updater on 10.4.4 system as installed by
3. Tested all applications and moved any necessary application
files from the 'previous system' into the one in use.
This worked fine for me, plus got rid of any of those hacks I had done
in the past (didn't miss any)
This process might be a good solution for others that need their system
Best regards, Luis"
FYI on Main Menu and Toast 8 Updates:
"Mainmenu (system maint. menu) now at 1.7.1 with 10.4.9 support. (Note: v1.7.2 released shortly afterwards to fix 10.3.9 issue w/1.7.1)
Also, Toast has released update to 8.0.1 which one of the IMPORTANT
fixes is that my designers can now have helvetica dfont disabled by
font manager without Toast 8 crashing on launch. (you have to have
registered email with Roxio to get the update)
I missed this yesterday but here's the Roxio page with Toast Titanium X 8.0.1 and their version history page has a list of change notes.
"After the iTunes+QT update and the 10.4.9 update, I got about 200 songs on my iTunes library that are not recognized by iTunes (they have the little !). If I try to browse for the song and update, it take out the album cover. My machine seems quite a bit slower and even hangs up with only iTunes open which never happened before.
I have a Mac Mini, Intel Duo, 1.83 GHz, 2Gb RAM, 160GB HDD.
(So you had not updated to iTunes 7.1 and QT 7.1.5 before the 10.4.9 update?
Did you have any 3rd party iTunes plugins installed?? Are the songs that will not play all in a certain format? (audio format)
(did you try using the Intel Combo 10.4.9 updater? and run it after a clean
reboot and after checking the disk for errors, permissions, etc.?)
There's an apple doc about recovering missing itunes library after an update (not exactly your problem but just a FYI)-Mike)
I updated the iTunes and QT before the 10.4.9. I rebooted and installed
the 10.4.9 I think the day after. I had the album cover in the iTunes
via Clutter. No other 3rd party stuff and virtually no playlists. All
songs are converted to MP3's using iTunes. The video stuff in it comes
from Handbrake, and I have 1 audio book from Audible. The funny thing is
that the songs are there in the library, if I browse for them they will
play OK. It just takes off the album cover and the "!". I just don't
want to do it 200 times. and then rebuild my album cover (but I guess I
have no choice).
My iTunes library is not on the Mini itself but on a
LaCie mini external HD. But his should not make any difference, as my
entire Library is on that disk (connected USB and FireWire to my Mini).
"I just installed OS X 10.4.9 and after reading that a couple of your
readers mentioned that their Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision worked
with that upgrade, I hoped that my Zicplay TalkCam VX6 would do the
same. Unfortunately, it does not work. Just the sound but no picture.
It works with Skype (video and sound) and with iChat (but for iChat
you need Ecamm's iChatUSBCam). (The Ultra Vision users said they
did not need iChatUSBcam any more - the first user said he removed
it after updating to 10.4.9)
I have also try to plug and unplug the usb with no result.
I have a Powermac G5 - 1.8 Ghz - bus speed 900 Mhz.
I have only tried the front usb slot.
I don't get a "camera in use' error message. Just an icon saying
that the camera is shutted off but the sound works.
The latest iChat (3.1.8) still have a video prefs section (right
downside of the video window). If I click on this preferences tab,
I get a new window where I can choose Microphone : usb camera (in fact it's the Zicplay TalkCam
VX6). This usb webcam works in QuickTime and Skype. But it already
did in 10.4.8. It doesn't work with iMovie 6.
I also have a Canon movie camera (dv) model MV400i that works with
iChat, Quicktime and iMovie 6 (it also worked in 10.4.8) but there's
a glitch : it shut off every two minutes for saving the battery and I
found no work around except that starting and stopping it recording
with the remote control every two minutes.
Thanks for your great site and all you bring the the Apple's community.
"I also have the Keychain Access crash bug after updating from 10.4.8
latest to 10.4.9. This on a 2.16GHz MacBook Pro. This has not made me
very happy with Apple as of course is affecting my wi-fi conectivity
I'm going to be very annoyed if Apple doesn't push out a fix for this
by the end of the week. It's one thing to introduce lots of lovely
new consumer toy products, and that's all good... but for @#$@'s
sake, please try not to break things which affect the productivity of
people who use your gear for WORK!
If anybody from Apple reads these comments, I might calm down a bit
if you would actually also get around to fixing the nasty Kerberos
framework @#$@-up you introduced a few updates back which
necessitates using Pacifist and an older update to get ssh logins
to remote servers to work. Again, totally unacceptable from the 'I
use your expensive shiny stuff to do work with' perspective.
Of course, perhaps Keychain has only become broken on systems where
people who use ssh regularly (probably the only ones to notice the
Kerberos framework problem) have patched the the Kerberos framework
bug? Who knows? Nightmare.
And, on a good day, I'm actually a fanboy! Hard to believe, I know.
I guess going to have to get a lot more pro-active and follow
websites like this more closely rather than just blindly installing
updates. Lesson learned. However, this is not what Apple is supposed
to be about. Not quite Insanely Great, is it, Steve?
Not everyone saw a keychain problem but some did. (as well as some other
problems - but then that's par for the course for version updates it seems.
I wince at every OS X version update, although few problems are 100% common,
that's little consolation of those affected...) And remember having a BACKUP of your internal drive is priceless.
(added 3/15/2007 - see above for his later report)
"I have a Powermac G5 1.8DP. After downloading the combo update, I
applied it and rebooted. After the reboot, it came up and sat there
for a few minutes then shut off. I powered the system back on and it
did the same exact thing.
Fortunately, I have a second disk in that system that is a CCC
version of the original disk. I usually make sure that they are
nearly the same (weeks). Rebooted again with the Option key down,
selected my second disk and booted into 10.4.8. After firing up disk
utility, it said that the disk needed repair (after a verify) and
failed to repair. I reapplied the 10.4.9 to the problem disk, fixed
permissions and restarted. After booting to the initial drive, the
system came back up.
I'm in the process of copying my home directory over to the backup
disk now and I'm going to boot to it and re-CCC the backup disk back
to the original disk to bring the system to a "trusted" state. After
which, I'll be reapplying the update to the original disk again to
see if I can get this resolved.
"I installed the OS 10.4.9 update via Software Update and my system just
"hung" at the Apple Logo. I was lucky to have a recent backup performed the
day before and simply used Carbon Copy Cloner to get all my system back. I
then tried it again via Software Update and the same "hang".
I then downloaded the Update from Apple Download via your link, thanks, same
"hang" same place. (Did you use the "Combo" updater? And reboot/check disk or errors, RP, disconnect any
connected devices (FW/USB, etc.))
I am now reinstalling everything from scratch. I have never EVER had this
happen. I searched the Apple Discussions to see if anyone else had the same
Will keep you posted on what happens or does not happen.
Someone else replied he saw the same thing:
I had exactly the same problem with my MacBook (Hangs at restart as William did above)
I did not use the Combo updater, rather the 99 MB Intel updater. Nothing worked to get it back—resetting PRAM, PMM, fsck, deleting plist files—using a Firewire cable and Target Disk mode. I eventually had to totally erase the MacBook drive, reinstall OS X, and then run the Combo updater. The Combo updater worked fine.
"I ran software update to install 10.4.9 and now I can't run photoshop
or illustrator cs 2, it crashes everytime I try to open either one.
InDesign CS 2 works fine, better actually and acrobat 6.0 professional
seems to run fine, as well as Quark 6.5. My computer is an intel Mac
Pro, Dual-Core Intel Xeon Processor model. If anyone else is having
this trouble and you know a fix for it, I'd appreciate hearing about
it. Have updated the permissions, tried running without suitcase
fuision, tried re-installing the update, and re-installing both
photoshop and illustrator, and it doesn't matter. Won't even start
either program, just crashes.
(she later replied to my comments below)
Thanks for the advice, tried all of your suggestions to no avail
unfortunately. Am resorting to wiping out the whole hard drive and
starting over (groan). If you hear of anyone else having the same
problem who has a better fix, I'd love to hear it though.
(comments on the original report) Did you try reinstalling using the Intel mac 10.4.9 Combo updater?
(not the delta update download - an older report here from someone with similar Adobe apps (rosetta) problems
said that fixed it.) It's also worth checking the disk for errors, permissions, etc.
before an update. (and apply it after doing that and a clean reboot), One reader with Protools said he had to trash the prefs to get it to open after 10.4.9 update.
Pro Tools User Notes:
"Pro Tools 7.3.1 needed the Digi'/DAE pref's trashed before it would open in 10.4.9.
(Just for the record I asked if he had seen any keychain problems or problems with
keyboard function keys, etc.)
No, I haven't seen any problems yet. It's been stable, FCP 5.1.4 and Pro
Tools 7.3.1 seem to like it. Every port including the DVI & PC 34 express is
being used, The only problem is with Seagate 7200.x drives and the FirmTEk SATA/PC
Express. The power saving settings are all off.
I lose the Seagate late at night after running the computer for 12-14 hrs.
I saw your article on the Hitachi Enterprise class drives, bought one from
OWC and it's never dropped off the desktop.
MacBook Pro 15" (2.16GHz core duo)
"Just to report that my Fuji S5500 digital camera in webcam mode
doesnt work with ichat, it gets a 'Camera in use by another
This doesn't happen in quicktime, and I can now record a movie in
real time. I suspect Apple need to still do a little work with the
new USB functionality, as nothing is using the camera and ichat just
gives this error, when starting a video chat.
System Profiler sees the camera as a webcam.
(I asked him several questions (that error was seen before in the past
with isights even IIRC - apple had some docs on it)
- Did you ever install ichatusbcam? (if so remove it)
- was iphoto set to open when the camera was connected?
- were any other apps open that can use the camera?
(iMovie 6, Comic Life, PhotoBooth, etc.)
- Assuming no to all the above, did you try rebooting and
disconnecting the camera then reconnect it?
Never installed ichatusbcam, Iphoto not set to open when camera is connected, or any other app.
Nothing else running that uses camera. Disconnect/reconnect didnt work, also I did a reboot and it still
said it was used by another app.
This was on my G5 dual 2.0, i've since tested on my macbook core duo
1.83 and it also doesnt work with ichat, giving the same error, but
in addition quicktime doesnt work giving 'failure to create movie'
I had two earlier reports on Logitec QuickCam Ultra Vision models working OK (one reader
noted he had previously used iChatusbcam, but removed it.)
"PowerMac G5 late 2004, Dual 2.5GHz, 4GB RAM, 6800 ultra
M-Audio Revolution Card works fine on encoded signals, but PCM stereo is
mixed up and my Yamaha reciever does not recognize the format. Sound plays
back sounding like 8-bit 22khz audio. Uninstalled/reinstalled started from
scratch with combo update, etc...
Btw, this is the NEWEST mid 2005 1.4.1 driver from M-Audio
Audio Unit Validation of Universal Plugins on PPC Systems: (Updated 3/15 - see below)
"some friends of mine have reported that 10.4.9 could break Audio Unit
validation on PPC systems.
It seems that some Universal Plugins (installed on PPC) which validated
fine in 10.4.8 are no longer accepted after applying the 10.4.9 updater.
It would be interesting to hear, if there are other people experiencing
Also, it might be good advice for PPC owners who use DAW software to be
a bit careful here...
kind regards, Tom
Shortly after posting this a reader replied:
Yes, this is true. I have Waves SSL bundle (version 1.1, Univ. Binary)
installed on Dual G5, and after 10.4.9 update it is no longer
A later tip from a Logic user:
"I had the same problem in Logic Pro so I ran the Logic AU manager
(in Logic preferences) and in the Logic AU manager window I was
able to check (turn on ) the non-working plug-ins. You still get a
incompatible message but you just click OK and they all show up and
they work !! Hope this helps.
Regards, Rob B."
USB Webcams with iChat in 10.4.9:
"The new update included "Added support for USB class video cameras"
into iChat, according to the update note. Does this mean that
quickcams and the like are FINALLY supported in iChat? (without, of
course, 3rd party software) I won't be able to test until later
tonight, have you had any other reports on this?
See the next 2 reports below...
"Mike, I think 10.4.9 is good news for most third-party USB webcam users. I have a Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision on my 3.0 GHz Mac Pro. Up to 10.4.8 I have had to use Ecamm's iChatUSBCam to use the Logitech with iChat. I also have had no luck getting it to record video in Quicktime. It goes through the motions but the resulting movie file would be blank, but audio is successfully recorded.
Now with 10.4.9, I first uninstalled iChatUSBCam to see if it would work with the Mac OS drivers. It sure does.
And Quicktime video recording as well, even at the native resolution of 640 x 480.
"I had a quick read over the list of fixes and enhancements provided
by 10.4.9. One thing that caught my eye was a reference to USB
webcams. A customer of mine has spent the day trying to convince a
Logitech Quickcam Fusion to work with his iMac G4. He had not yet
downloaded the ichatusbcam shareware that is supposed to help out. I
am just done with a video conference with him after he ran the 10.4.9
update. The Logitech cam now works natively with iChat with no
drivers/shareware installed. I wonder if anyone else can provide
feedback on USB cameras before and after 10.4.9? With the loss of the
iSight, this info could be very useful to people. Thanks.
With Regards from, Kevan G.
Reminder on USB Devices Tip:
"On a 24" iMac (2.13 Core 2 Duo) with an APC Back-UPS XS 800: under 10.4.8 my energy saver system preference had several options for the UPS including when to shut down under battery power, etc. With 10.4.9, I've lost all preferences associated with the UPS, as if it's not even there, even though it shows up under system profiler. Anyone else notice UPS's missing?
No APC software installed.
(Tried disconnecting/reconnecting the UPS's USB connection? (has helped with some USB device problems in the past after OS X updates.-Mike)
Haha, what do you know. That worked. Unplugged the USB cable and moved it to a new slot and it shows up again. Figured the restart after the update would have taken care of it...
(A later report from another APC UPS user said he had to do the disconnect/reconnect again after
a shutdown/restart, so I asked Eric to do a shutdown/restart test-Mike)
No problems after a power cycle. UPS still shows up as does the icon on the menu bar.
Cooler running MacBook Pro?
"10.4.9 feedback - POSITIVE for heat reduction on MacBook Pro
Prior to 10.4.9, I have had to actively manage my fan speeds to keep my
MacBook Pro (Core Duo, 2.16ghz) within tolerable limits.
I've tried every 3rd party mini-app for controlling fan speeds, and finally
settled on smcFanControl, version 2.0. I have the fan settings at 2500rpm
minimum, with a 4000rpm speed when the battery is charging.
But the temp always hovers in the 60-degrees-C or higher range. Sometimes
much higher, for an entire working day: like 75+. Ouch! It buuuu-uuurns!
With a Combo install of 10.4.9, straight over the top of 10.4.8, plus a
couple of reboots, a "repair permissions", and all that "voodoo": my MBP is,
right at this moment, hovering on 45 to 47-degrees-C, while charging from a
totally flat battery. The smcFanControl menu item/app is still running the
fan at 4000rpm, which I don't mind at all when running on power, but the
nett result, to the touch and by measurement, is cool.
So cool, that I have it on my bare legs as I type now: a benefit of summer
here in Australia, is being able to wear shorts, I suppose.
Obviously SMC re-"borging" occurred in 10.4.9. My MBP has never been this
"Hi Mike, Just writing in to let you know that after installing the Combo
update, my 2.0GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro restarted twice (the first time it
booted till the apple logo screen with the system activity icon running for
around 5 minutes). I'm upgrading from 10.4.5 directly - here's what I've
(1) Most applications, including Office v.X 10.1.9 work fine. I've noticed
that browsing in Safari seems to be a bit quicker. The scrollbars are more
responsive... the slight lag seems to have been fixed.
(2) My Apple USB Modem's performance has improved greatly. Authentication
happens within 10 sec, as against a whole minute earlier. Data throughput's
also more consistent - the receive buffer remains at 90% throughout the
duration of a download; before, it used to show data coming in bursts with a
2 second interval in between (observed in the graphical representation of
the send/receive buffer in Internet Connect). My throughput in LimeWire is
also more consistent at 5kbps, as against 3-4kbps earlier.
(3) The update killed audio output in QuickTime Player, Divx Player, and in
the column view preview of audio files, although VLC & iTunes were playing
movies/audio fine. I noticed that the QuickTime components had been updated
to 7.1.5 in /System/Library/QuickTime. After restoring 7.0.4 from the
install dvd using Pacifist, sound has been enabled again in QuickTime.
(4) My speakers sound louder than before, and I have not noticed any clicks
or gaps during playback of MP3 files. (some others noticed a volume increase also)
(5) The MBP seems to be running a bit cooler - fans have not kicked in and
CPU usage is around 30% as I type this in Entourage, with Safari open,
iTunes playing music in the background and Software Update downloading Java
Barring the audio glitch, I think Apple has gotten this one just right!
Regards, Hemant K.
"10.4.9 seems to have fixed the slow speed problem I had with my
macpower taurus external sata enclosures connected to my mac pro 2.66
Before I could not top 20MB/s, while after upgrading speed
jumped to 50MB/s!
"(In reply to 2 earlier reports on 7300 display rotation finally working in 10.4.9)
I can confirm some support for rotation on a MacPro, NVIDIA GeForce
7300 card, with the latest firmware. However, the screen is very
blurry when rotated, especially the fonts, making it unusable if you
are picky about that sort of thing. In addition, the screen-edge
targets seem to be a few pixels off, affecting windows that snap to
the edge, for example. Hopefully someone can chime in with a fix.
LCDs are not as sharp (most noticeable on text) if running at other than their exact native resolution but if the rotated mode
does match (H/V) the native panel res, maybe check the Display AA/text prefs setting. (Other 7300GT users
didn't mention noticing that on their rotated displays.)
"I updated 2 Macs here to 10.4.9 and tried to scan using an OS 9.1 Mac
today using ColorRight Pro 2.0.
At the end of a scan I would get a lost network connection error. The
file would show up on the 10.4.9 computers drive but was empty.
I tried the exact same thing to a Mac running 10.4.7 and didn't have
that problem. The 10.4.9 box worked fine with 10.4.8.
Furthermore when I tried to copy with the OS 9.1 finder I got the same
"(In reply to one reader that had problems with rosetta running MS and Adobe apps)
I've had no such troubles-the whole of Microsoft Office seems to run fine so far, in fact I have noticed absolutely nothing amiss with this update. (Dual 1.8Gig G5, 1Gig Ram, 6800Ultra).
I had suggested that reader try reapplying the combo updater and he later wrote that fixed it.
FYI - Unsanity has updated their Application Enhancer to v2.0.3. It's used by some of their 'haxies' and they note some improvements in v2.0.3 for 10.4.9 (especially for Intel-CPU mac users). (Personally I avoid installing this sort of thing though but just a FYI for those that are using it.) They also released FruitMenu 3.6.3 and WindowShade X 4.1.2 updates.
"After installing the update on my black MacBook 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo model, I found out that iSync is updated to version 2.4, and it supports a lot of new devices, including my Sony Ericsson K800i. No more 3rd party plugins needed! Screenshot here:
Regards, Charles W.
"I'm seeing 17% performance increase in hardware OpenGL testing with
Cinebench R9.5. (MacBook Pro w/X1600 128MB vram)
That 10.4.9 update definitely has better OpenGL drivers.
(added 3/14/2007 - updated w/fix)
"The 10.4.9 update broke all Microsoft and Adobe apps for me. My guess
is that it broke all PowerPC apps. (you mean nothing runs under rosetta
for you now?-Mike) I'm on a MacBook Pro. I get two
bounces on the dock and then nothing.
None of the apps will launch either directly, through the dock, or by
opening a file. I ran Disk Utility (repaired permissions) and Onyx
(Did you try reinstalling using the Combo 10.4.9 updater?
(quit all running apps, maybe even reboot before running the
combo updater to run it from a fresh reboot)-Mike)
Yes, and that worked, thanks. I wonder why Apple has these problems
with Software Update?
Update: Well at least Word works. I just realized that Adobe's stuff
is still dead. (Photoshop manages 10 dock bounces--the splash screen
Always safest to use the Combo updater (and again I'd not have anything running and
do a clean reboot first - as sometimes I think open files, caches, etc. are possible
factors in problems - and unsanity has an article that major problems can be due to failures during pre-binding.)
"Sorry for the delay in replying to your question about 10.4.9 and the
Dell 1500 card, This was due to me having issues with the update but
not wanting to give a reply before establishing whether this was a
problem with the update or due to something I had done to the system.
The good news is that 10.4.9 does not seem to have broken the 11n
patch when using the Dell wireless card.
Whilst establishing where the problem was ( on reboot after initially
installing 10.4.9 I got an error saying that the BCM4311 kext was not
installed correctly - this disabled airport completely) I did a fresh
install (10.4.6) on an external drive and updated it, the results
showed some interesting results - it also looks as though I was wrong
in my earlier email about driver versions.
10.4.6 - Card not recognized
10.4.8 - Card recognized as 184.108.40.206 Netutil shows 802.11g
10.4.8 with AE2007-002 - Card recognized as BMC43xx 1.0(220.127.116.11)
Netutill shows 802.11a,b,g
10.4.9 - as above
10.4.9 with 11n enabler - Card recognized as BMC43xx 1.0(18.104.22.168)
Netutill shows 802.11a,b,g,n
Of note, this time rather than use Pacifist to install the enabler, I
hacked the enabler package to accept the Early MacBookPro as a valid
hardware platform (can't remember where I saw the instructions
initially - See March 5th news page here on Editing Apple 802.11n Enabler installer System ID check-Mike)
"As usual nothing to report everything is fine with the new 10.4.9
update . The only thing that stopped working is the Powerlogix CPU
Director as usual.
I can honestly say that it feels a little snappier (very
subjective) . Thanks for the great web site.
G4 Gigabit Dual 1.1ghz (overclocked 1.0) with 2 g's of ram , RME
MultiFace and pc card, Pioneer DVR 110D , 3X 80gb WD drives
Regards, Robert B.
"Mike, Main Menu 1.7 needs update (not compatible with 10.4.9).
Also, make sure that if you are in a Xserve environment, that your
server and workstations run the same flavor of OS (Server 10.4.9 ...).
Lastly, I recommend (hefty download) the combo over the delta. My
install went well (repairs run BEFORE updating) except the booting is
taking 2x longer...I suspect either the Dell USB hub in my 24"
ultrasharp and/or the APC UPS connected via USB.
Keep up the great site and work!
"Just upgraded an Intel C2D iMac to 10.4.9 using the combo updater.
The only glitch that I have found so far is that, on a cold start or
restart, the sound level is set to a predetermined level no matter
what its previous setting. (two 24in iMac owners noted much higher
volume levels in 10.4.9 than 10.4.8 - i.e. where a lower volume setting
was louder in 10.4.9 than a higher setting was in 10.4.8)
I had a similar problem in Panther and found that using an earlier
version of the extension Apple02Audio.kext solved the problem. It
does not in 10.4.9 as the extension is not replaced. Nothing I tried
could solve it except installing Psst a piece of freeware that, upon
restart, sets the sound level where it was at time of shutdown. It is
really designed to control the volume of the startup bong, but serves
an additional purpose.
I would be interested to know if others experience the same problem.
"Mike, I have a 2.66 Mac Pro with 7GB ram and running 10.4.9 and I can rotate my 23" Apple display now with no problem. (2nd 7300GT user to say 10.4.9 finally enabled display rotation) The display resolution changes to 1200 x 1920 instead of 1920 x 1200 when rotated 90 degrees. When going back to standard format some windows are in different places before the resolution change though. I have the GeForce 7300 GT card.
Thanks, Lonnie R.
"I noticed with the new update that OS X finally supports screen
rotation in Mac Pros with Nvidia 7300GTs.
I had been waiting for this to support a vertical widescreen for reading documents. I guess Apple
finally updated the drivers.
I don't have a Mac Pro but in the past a couple readers with both Nvidia 7300 and ATI X1900 cards noted
problems with both brands of cards installed. Anyone running this setup with 10.4.9 to see if that's still a problem?
"I can chime in with Dominic (comments yesterday) here: 24" iMac, updated over
SU, everything went fine, no 3rd party conflicts, no boot problems.
The speakers had to be set to level 1 though to get the same output level as with 3-4 before in 10.4.8.
"to date, no problems with 10.4.9 on the non-intel mini and no apparent
problems with the 10.3.9 security update on the non-intel g4; however,
the 10.3.9 update seemed to spend more time optimizing in volumes, than
it did to download via dial-up, which i assume ;-) is a good thing.
"I've got a MacMini 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo 1 external lacie HD, 2 DVD writers external.
After installing the Intel 10.4.9. update not with Software Update (I downloaded the standard, and the Combo one and installed the standard first), the external driver (Lacie) no longer starts up automatically.!!!??
Then i installed the Combo Update and all went ok.
Using the "Combo" update version is an old tip that many swear by. (I think it's worth
rebooting clean before installing a version update also, not just quitting all running apps.) Some even
go so far as to run repair permissions before a version update (and after).
"Major problem with frontrow enabler (putting frontrow on pre-intel
macs). Will not start up after applying 10.4.9.
Solution is same as it was for 10.4.7-10.4.8: Apply combo update from another mac.
There does not appear to be an update for frontrow enabler yet.
(what version of FR enabler are you using?-Mike)
I think I had 1.3.5
The manufacturers website (andrewescobar.com/frontrow) has been updated and states that there is no problem. However, that differs from my experience.
Eject Key Delay (Update - Apple has now posted a kbase doc on this, see OS X 10.4.9: Media Eject key delay)
"I just wanted to let you know that with 10.4.9 (the Delta update on
Dual G5 1.8 PPC and Combo on Mac Book Pro 2.26) there is an
undocumented update done to the Eject button on keyboards.
Apple has seemed to have implemented a delay on the Eject button with the
10.4.9 update. I can't find any Apple documentation on the change.
"I'm contacting you regarding issues with the 10.4.9 update. I was
the person that contacted you back in early December regarding the
wake from sleep issues with 10.4.8 and ExpressCards.
(noted in Dec. 1st 2006 news)
I thought I'd let you know that I updated to 10.4.9, and found that,
just like Chris M. (earlier report yesterday), 10.4.9 does not fix this issue.
Once you put the system to sleep with an ExpressCard installed, it will refuse to wake
properly, and you will have to hard reboot. There is at least one
other instance of the same noted in the 10.4.9 update posted on the
Apple Discussion board.
I installed the 10.4.9 Combo updater over a 10.4.7 system. The
ExpressCard used is a NitroAV Firewire 800 card, connected to two
"Just updated my B&W Sonnet G4 500 to 10.4.9 with no issues at all.
Only one restart rather than the 2 that others have reported.
The restart process too well over 5 minutes to complete.
Tomorrow I will update the 12" PB 1.5GHz and will report in on that as well.
"Hi Mike, Here we go again ... DVDs won't play on my external DVD drive. I
figured it would probably happen again so I saved a copy of the
patched "DVDPlayback.framework" from 10.4.8 before I applied the
update. (there was a post on this last year in the news page)
Last time this happened some kind soul sent you a patch for the 10.4.8 framework which has worked flawlessly these last 5 months.
I have not yet tried putting back the 10.4.8 framework or applying
the 10.4.8 patches to 10.4.9.
I have an old Sawtooth still doing great service with the upgrades
listed below. I did treat it to a Revolution MX mouse recently and
retired the MX1000 for Windows PC work. I am still delighted at how
well this old Mac runs and use it in preference to my P4/3.2 GHZ with
Vista for Web surfing, email, and Dreamweaver. It's not so great for
DVD movies as it uses pretty much the whole CPU. I was hoping to
have a movie running on the Mac this evening while I was working on
the PC, but the urge to install 10.4.9 was too great even though I
knew it would almost certainly screw up DVD playback again.
Regards, Clive E.
Sawtooth G4, 1.5GB RAM, ATI 9800 Pro
Modified 350W ATX PSU
GigaDesigns 1.4 GHz accelerator
Sonnet Tempo ATA/133 card
Generic USB2 card
Pioneer 109 DVD +/- RW Drive (external ... no room left for it
with 6 internal hard drives)
Netgear GA311 Gigabit Ethernet
ATA/100 disks in RAID 0 and 1
LogiTech Revolution MX
SMS Issue w/WD Scorpio Drives fixed? (previously for those with this issue, disabling the built-in SMS (terminal command "sudo pmset -a sms 0") was the workaround. Some WD Scorpios didn't have built-in SMS sensor. WD calls it a "free fall" sensor IIRC.)
"Received a report from Apple Engineering that the bug I reported (and that you had covered) involving Western Digital Scorpio drives causing Kernel Panics when the Sudden Motion Sensor is triggered has been fixed.
(This was mentioned last year in the news page and in the drive reports database)
I am currently downloading to confirm.
Regards, James E.
"I have a MacBook 2 GHz Core 2 Duo. After installing the 10.4.9 update
with Software Update the machine started up. After the progress bar
disappeared the screen went black. On the screen I saw:
Darwin/BSD (computer-van-willem-nijenhuis.l) (console)
Login: Mar 14 00:15:46 computer-van-willem-nijenhuis kextd;
kextd_watch_volumes: couldn't set up diskarb sessions
finally: giving up on diskarb; auto-rebuild disabled.
I restarted the machine only to come into the same black screen but
now with a cursor after the login: I typed my name and was asked for
a password. I gave my password, but the machine did not accept that
I had to reinstall system 10.4.8 from my Install Disk.
"I did the 10.4.9 update on my Quicksilver 2002 Powermac and iBook G4
with no issues.
They both did however do a dual boot after installation.
No problems found so far.
"iMac G5 1.9ghz, 1.5GB ram. Installed 10.4.9 rebooted and the hard drive
started running fast and loud and the fan started running louder than I've ever
heard. this lasted for approx 15 minutes before the drive quieted down and another 10 minutes before the fan slowed down.
Everything seems to be OK now. (and no keychain problems)
"I have a Core Duo MacBook, and I update using SU from 10.4.8, 2GB of
RAM, and a 160GB HD.
The update seems to have screwed up the Keychain frameworks somehow.
Keychain access crashes on launch, as does any other app once it tries
to access the keychain. Deleting all keychains and associated prefs
does not fix it. It first showed up as the airport 'antenna' icon
blinking - it would kill the airport process as soon as it tried to
access the keychain for my stored network password. I fixed that by
deleting the reference to the network in the airport preference file.
Installing the combo update did not fix it.
(He later wrote)
I found a fix in an Apple discussion, that opening Keychain Access
under Rosetta works. After restoring my original keychains from
backups, other apps like Camino and Mail seem to be working correctly
now too. So suffice it to say that it's screwy, but seemingly settled
Nobody else mentioned this problem so far but I wrote a couple 10.4.9 users to verify that.
"Just thought i would let you know, updated my Macbook
1.83ghz Core Duo to 10.4.9 and it stopped coolbook starting
but telling it to deactivate the original driver again
in the prefs and restarting sorted it out.
i haven't found any other issues yet but still have a
B&W G3 and a G4 DA to update yet so there is still
I wrote the reader below to mention trying the tip above.
"I've got a MacBook 2GHz Core 2 Duo.
After installing the Intel 10.4.9. update with Software Update (the
standard, not the Combo one), the CoolBook driver (v1.1) no longer starts up
automatically - I guess Apple must have written a new CPU speed
throttling driver and so they've switched it on in 10.4.9.
Haven't tried telling CoolBook to re-instate itself, just in case my mac
won't boot up,... I'll let some other brave soul try that first and
report on it. :-)
Other than that, I haven't seen any differences (yet).
(As a FYI - Tiger updates often break kernel extensions. And PL's CPU Director has required an update for every Tiger update to date.) As I mentioned above, it's a good idea to check the developer's/author's website of any addons/haxies, etc. you're using
to see if they've noted any 10.4.9 issues or have a later version. (But some authors may not have had access to pre-release versions of 10.4.9 to test and Nicole said the Coolbook page hasn't been updated in 2007 yet.)
"I installed the OS X 10.4.9 Update from the "Software Update..." menu
just now. It downloaded, installed, and rebooted my PowerBook. But after the
reboot, my two screens went uniform blue and the rebooting stopped. This
occurred after the initial spinner but before the usual progress meter
comes up. There was disk activity for 30 seconds, then nothing at all.
I waited about 3-4 minutes, shrugged and powered it off.
After that it came up fine, as far as I can tell. No damage, nothing
missing. Seems good now.
System: PowerBook 1 GHz G4 12" Al, 1.25 Gig RAM. Attached 20" Dell DVI
LCD. USB Mac keyboard and mouse.
"To any of you intrepid upgraders out there:
If you have upgraded the Airport card in a MacBook (Core Duo) with
the MacPro "n" card AND installed this 10.4.9 OS update, do you still
retain the "n" functionality? There was a single report by an ADC
member on another site a couple of weeks ago that installed the BETA
10.4.9 and said that he lost the "n" functionality.
Before I upgrade, I want to make sure this was either an anomoly or
something related to it still being in BETA.
Anyone with this specific situation taken the plunge yet? Please
provide feedback when you have it.
(After seeing a reply that noted all OK, he later wrote)
Thanks for letting me know. I've installed the update myself and
everything seems to be just fine!!
I wrote a reader that had done the Mac Pro kit card and one that used a Dell 1500 card to ask
(I'd be surprised if 10.4.9 affected that...) A reader using a Mac Pro kit card in his MacBook Pro replied all is
nothing changed. firmware is the same, 802.11 a/b/g/n is still
(keychain works. no issues whatsoever)
"Hi Mike, Again, IOUSBFamily.kext has broken printing for one of my apps that I
need to run in Classic. I put up a page about this for prior updates, it's here http://www.hatsuon.net/macstuff/kernel-panic.html
Please tell readers to ignore any info on the page about kernel panics.
Summary: How to re-enable printing from Classic OS9 Apps in OSX 10.4.9.
- Download OS X 10.4.6 combo updater and using Option + Right mouse button, Click select examine package ("show package contents").
- Copy "IOUSBFamily.kext" from Sydney/Library/Extentions - copy it to
a flash drive for safe keeping if possible.
- Enable Root User in NetInfo Manager, set a non trivial password.
- Reboot into SafeBoot (hold down the Shift key as you re-boot).
- Login as root using the above new password.
- Copy the OSX 10.4.6 version of IOUSBFamily.kext to Sydney/Library/
MOST IMPORTANT DO THE NEXT STEP BEFORE YOU RE-BOOT
- Startup Disk Utility, repair permissions twice.
- Reboot, Run NetInfo Manager again and disable the Root User.
- Enjoy being able to print again (if the problem had affected you).
My primary work machines do not run OS X tiger but if anyone else -doesn't- see this problem
in 10.4.9 let me know.
"Just want to let you know this update doesn't fix the sleep issue for
my MacBook Pro 2.16GHz. The system fails go to sleep and restarts when
the power button is pushed. All of this still happens when my SIIG
firewire ExpressCard is inserted. I had hoped Apple would have fixed
this. I even sent them a bug report. Oh well...
(I asked if he had ever called apple support about the problem)
I never did because I thought it was a software problem. It never
did this in Mac OS 10.4.7. I guess it wouldn't hurt to call Apple
Care. I don't know how much help they'll be. Thanks
"Very interesting change on my 24-inch iMac. I kept my speakers at
level 3 or 4 during regular use in 10.4.8. With 10.4.9, Level 1 seems
to be as loud as what 3 or 4 used to be! So I have my speakers just
barely turned up, as far as OS X is concerned, and it's PLENTY loud.
I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but it's an
extremely noticeable change.
"I won't give full details just now, but if you get reports of
broken .Mac after 10.4.9 please let me know. I had this issue but
have solved it.
"Just want to let you know that i had a kernel panic at the end had to
shut down and restart everything seems ok. 10.4.9 on about that mac.
If you find any pros or cons with 10.4.9, let me know the details (include mac model, info on any addons/upgrades, etc.) Remember as with any OS X version update, check your 3rd party addons/login items, etc. first for any updates or developer notes on 10.4.9 compatibility. If you see a problem include the version of any 3rd party software addons you're using. Thanks.