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OS X 10.5.1 update is out (client and server)
(Updated with notes below on what I've seen so far such as repairing permissions changes and the Appl Firewall - and some other reader's RP dances... and some tips) 10.5.1 is available via Software update and these download pages. (I used the download updater personally.)

"OS X 10.5.1 Update
What's New in this Version
The 10.5.1 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website:
About the Mac OS X 10.5.1 Update

For detailed information on security updates, please visit this website:
(here's the specific doc About the security content of the Mac OS X 10.5.1 Update (client and server)-Mike) "

That "About" security changes doc includes notes on the Application Firewall. There's also a OS X Server 10.5.1 Update and About the OS X Server 10.5.1 Update doc.
I'm updating the G5 tower here now but also welcome reader feedback on the 10.5.1 update. (Include details on mac system, any pros/cons you see etc. thanks!)

FYI - I applied the update here (from the download page above - not via Software Update - after a clean reboot first and doing -nothing else- while the update was installing) on my 2003 G5 and restarted - everything seems ok so far. I have noticed that Disk Utilty's Permissions repair now has estimated time and progress bar (although the initial est. 1Min still takes a long time to run - but at least there's a progress bar and not just a spinning barber pole... after awhile the estimated time changed from 1 min to 18minutes here.) And unlike one reader that sent a screenshot of DU permissions repairs with a LOT of SUID warning messages (the screenshot clipped off the full message - a copy and paste of the messages into email would have been bettter/more complete) - I ran RP on my Leopard drive and only had these (the ARDAgent message is common and not a cause for concern per past posts here and an Apple doc on the message):

" Repairing permissions for Leopard
Permissions differ on "private/var/log/secure.log", should be -rw------- , they are -rw-r----- .
Warning: SUID file
"System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/" has been modified and will not be repaired.

Permissions repair complete "

BTW - the reader that had a lot of SUID warnings (many were private frameworks related) later wrote they were not repaired as he first thought - re-running RP again shows the same messages- I asked if he'd tried again (repeatedly running helped with the ACL wipe fiasco). He had also run the Mac Pilot Wipe ACL data previously BTW.
And I had another reader (MacBook) also send a long list of SUID warnings (I asked he run it again to see if they persisted - he said all were fixed but the common ARDagent one...). My PPC G5 install of 10.5.1 (from download updater, ran after a fresh reboot) only shows the above however.
(Note I had a *lot* of later mails from other readers seeing many SUID warnings after running Repair Permissions for the first time - although some said none were shown. (It may have been coincidence but most seeing a lot of SUID warnings had intel-CPU Macs.)
If you see a string of SUID errors and repeated Repairs in Disk Utility do not fix that, try a reinstall of the update from a download (not software update) - at least 2 readers said that helped (reinstalls of download updaters is an old tip for years).

Also the Application Firewall options (at least the 2nd one) have been reworded (as mentioned in the About security changes doc) - the options now read:

  • Allow all incoming connections
  • Allow only essential services
  • Set access for specific services and applications

BTW: In the (Application) Firewall, if you have selected the 2nd option (to "Allow only essential services"), remember that severely limits open ports and affects some functions/features - for example you won't be able to Sync AppleTV (port blocked). See the (updated) Apple doc on OS X 10.5 Leopard: About the Application Firewall. Adding iTunes to the apps list in the 3rd option works of course. When 10.5.0 was first released World of Warcraft users that added the app there had validation problems with Blizzard's online check and had to reinstall WoW. (The above Apple firewall doc has related info on this in the last paragraphs on the page.)

The About the Mac OS X 10.5.1 Update has a list of changes by topic but I wonder if the (PPC Mac at least) AFP performance hit w/mounted shared volumes is fixed as I didn't see that mentioned specifically.

BTW - see today's (long) list of updated Apple Support/Troubleshooting docs below - many are Leopard related and include tips that have helped some readers such as those that see the setup assistant repeatedly after an update.

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Apple posts Alum iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0
Hopefully this will help iMac owners that have had freezes, etc. and been through the dance with various "software updates" that have been update/pulled/re-released, etc.. I wonder if it's a downclock of the GPU or VRAM...

"iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0
This update is for 20-inch and 24-inch aluminum iMac computers with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro graphics running Mac OS X 10.4.10 with iMac Software Update 1.2.1 or Leopard with iMac Software Update 1.3.

It updates the graphics firmware on the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro to improve system stability.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website:

(that's an "About iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0" doc which has a repeat of the above but with some additional comments - the bold emphasis below is mine-Mike)

About iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0
This update is for 20-inch and 24-inch aluminum iMac computers with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO graphics processor, running Mac OS X 10.4.10 with iMac Software Update 1.2.1 for Tiger, or Mac OS X 10.5 with iMac Software Update 1.3 for Leopard. It updates the graphics firmware on the ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO card to address issues that may have caused the computer to freeze.

Not every 20-inch and 24-inch aluminum iMac computer requires this update. If you are not automatically presented with this update, your computer does not need it.

If you manually download this update and attempt to install it on an ineligible computer, you will receive an error message.

If you manually download the update and receive the following error message when selecting a volume, "You cannot install iMac Graphics Firmware Update on this volume. Your computer does not need this update," one of two conditions exist:

  • You have not installed the iMac Software Update 1.2.1 for Tiger or iMac Software Update 1.3 for Leopard. From the Apple menu, select Software Update and install the appropriate software update, and then reinstall iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0.

  • You have already installed this update."
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    Hitachi Rebates on Notebook and Desktop Drives
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  • I bought one of the Hitachi 1TB SATA drives back in late October (for 10.5 install over a cloned 10.4.10 drive on one 500GB partition and the other 500GB partition used for data/EyeTV recordings, etc.) I couldn't be happier with it. It's the fastest drive I've had to date in this G5 tower and very nice to have the extra storage space. (Drives get slower as they fill up...)

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    Safari problem reports after 10.4.11 update (check 3rd party addons)
    (updated w/more replies)
    I've not updated the tiger drive here to 10.4.11 yet but I've had a couple mails related to problems entering URLs or typing text with Safari after the update. Here's an example of one report with a follow-up on an issue with an addon:

    " I just updated (with SU) to 10.4.11. There are problems after the update:

    1) Safari (3.0.4 - 523.12) seems to crash for no reason often (have sent reports to apple)

    2) Can't type in text fields in Safari (so webmail, anything that needs text entry on a webpage is not possible!)

    I'm wondering if these problems are just happening on my setup, or others are experiencing this too? Never had such a big problem after updating in the past 3 years.
    System: Mac mini G4 1.42GHz/1GB ram. System was ok before the update, and yes I observed the no running software during update guideline. Restarted as required... Will try to apply the 10.4.11 combo update, if not will try to apply the 10.4.10 update to see if it helps.

    (he later wrote)
    Followup to earlier email. I did the combo update and didn't solve the can't type in text fields in safari. Also RP in DU without success.

    Finally traced the problem to Fiwt, a find-as-you-type SIMBL extension, so would like to sound this out to anyone having a similar problem.

    I still find safari 3.0.2 unstable and prone to crash without reason though. Hope apple can find something in the crash reports.
    Regards, Linus W. (Singapore) "

    I'd suggest looking at any other addons that were installed previously (many are forgotten about over time). I had written another 10.4.11 user w/Safari text entry problems to check for any 3rd party addons (he said 'return' wasn't working in URLs):

    " Hi Mike, THANKS! Yep, it was Saft. (what version was installed?-Mike)
    Removed it and did a combo 10.4.11 upgrade and everything works.
    BTW, Saft had installed in both the root and user levels so I had to remove it from the /library/Input managers folders at both levels.
    Also, in doing search on the internet I see that the new version of Saft that is supposed to be leopard compatible but isn't. See this URL Saft user reviews at MU
    (he later wrote)
    Saft v09-33-22. BTW, I removed all the following as well: Saft Extra, Safari Stand v1.0b10, Safari Enhancer v 2.5.3, Sogudi v 0.4.6 and SubEthaFari bundle created 9/5/2004 (this was everything in the library/input managers folder. ( I just moved this stuff to the trash, in case something was needed. I could drag it back.)
    Again thanks, Jim B."

    If you find a compat. issue with 10.4.11 (or tip to fix a problem) - let me know the details. (Include version numbers in problem reports as sometimes an author updates the version later to fix a problem, or you may not be running the latest version of an addon.)

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    Another price cut on 2GB SODIMMs and 2x2GB Mac Pro Memory Kits
    Updated again for lower prices as of Nov. 16th - check links for current pricing (from site sponsor OWC)

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    Also a drop on FBDIMMs for Mac Pro, 4GB Kits (2x2GB) now at $195.00. :)

    If it gets much cheaper, we'll be giving it away... Not good for the DRAM mfr's but never better for those seeking to upgrade their memory. :)

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    Another 2930 Adaptec SCSI card owner feedback on Leopard tip
    (Another follow-up to the previously posted tip of reinstalling Adaptec SCSI OS X drivers in Leopard to get the card working again after the update .)

    " I reinstalled the Adaptec 2930 OSX v1.1 drivers on my Quicksilver PowerMac G4 (originally dual 1 GHz) with Sonnet Dual 1.8 GHz processor upgrade, and the Apple supplied Adaptec 2930 SCSI PCI card. After reinstalling the v1.1 drivers after an Archive & Install of Leopard, the Adaptec card was once again recognized in System Profiler. I was then able to successfully use both my Nikon LS-2000 slide and Epson Expression 636 flatbed SCSI scanners using VueScan 8.4.46 software.
    -Robert D. "

    Yesterday's news has a repeat of all the Adaptec SCSI card (2906, 2930, 29160/N, 39160) download links. Still waiting for feedback from the 39160 owner that said the card was recognized again but hadn't tested it with devices yet.

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    SATA DVD Burner with PCI SATA card problems (updated w/alternative)
    I previously had a reader say his SATA DVD burner didn't work properly connected to a PCI SATA (Firmtek) card (which of course worked fine for SATA hard drives but not ATAPI/optical drives). Mac Pro owners however have reported in the drive compat. database here that SATA burners -did work- using the 2 extra motherboard SATA connectors in the Mac Pro.
    Here's another mail from a reader that tried the PCI SATA card/SATA Optical drive with similar results and then used a workaround. (Although I'd prefer to not split the 2 drive RAID across the onboard and PCI card)

    " Hey Mike just a quick note here for you....
    After getting everything setup with my 2 Firmtek cards I got my Pioneer 212-DBK via UPS today and of course just had to get it in. Well you were 100% dead on. The Firmtek card would not allow the drive to be seen at all, and since I am not one of the lucky ones with a Mac Pro I decided to do a little tinkering.

    I currently have the only 2 ports on my Dual 2.0 G5 set in raid 0 running Leopard... and it is sweet. Just to see what happened I put one of the drives on the Firmtek card, and plugged the Pioneer 212 into the onboard Sata. Not only did it boot without a problem still seeing the raid, but I have my Sata burner in and chugging away. Completely bootable in Tiger and Leopard, and I have to say over the DVR-111DBK it replaced it is faster. I wonder though if it not being seen through the Firmtek card is something that Firmtek can fix or does any reader know why this is? Anyways thanks for the recent help and till my next venture.
    (To make sure it wasn't just an ASP reporting issue I asked if he had tried inserting a disc into the SATA DVD drive while connected to the PCI card and mentioned I'd prefer not to split the RAID volume's drives across the two interfaces
    I had tried to mount anything possible in the drive. It would not see a CD, DVD-Data, or DVD Video at all through the firmtek card. I have also been thinking of switching both drives over to the Sata card just because, I just did this to see if it actually worked. And I do see a bit of a lag, maybe a few additional seconds in booting but that is about it. And when I would bring up ASP it would simply tell me that under Disc burning - This mac has no drive that will support Disc Burning. I did not copy the exact message but that is pretty much it. Anyways, thanks again for everything and I will let you know if anything changes.
    -Stephen "

    If anyone else has used a DVD burner (or other optical drive) with an SATA PCI/PCI-e controller, let me know.
    FYI : A reader said after Firmtek replied they were not going to fix this (and noting many SATA burners were really just PATA models with SATA/PATA adapters) he bought a (Silicon Image) SiI 3124 based card (non bootable) that he said worked with his SATA burners and SATA/PATA adapters) but unfortunately you can't boot from connected drives with it. (NOTE: A reader also replied today he had previously reported in a drive database entry his working PCI SATA/DVD Burner configuration. I'll have to search (using PCI SATA card as interface and DVD+/- RW as the drive type, omitting other options) - that will show all reports on those matches, latest first.)

    And BTW - although it's linked on the Systems page (Intel-CPU Macs section) and elsewhere here, a Mac Pro owner asked about using the spare onboard SATA ports for external use - see Using the Mac Pro's 2 extra onboard SATA Ports with an External SATA Case Kit (posted in spring 2007 here.)

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    Reminder on Mac Office 2004 update fixing Word Printing Crashes
    (Updated with another reply)

    " I found a fix for Rosetta apps crashing when printing to Fiery RIPs.
    (ref: Tuesday's posts on Apps crashing when using printing presets from Universal apps in Rosetta, which didn't mention the issue was Word specific, but I wrote to ask others that reported the problem.-Mike)

    I've got a KonicaMinolta bizhub C352 with a Fiery IC-406 controller. I was thinking it was the culprit for this behavior, but now Microsoft has released a (Mac) Office 2004 11.3.9 update which seems to have fixed the issue. Office 2004 is running in Rosetta PPC emulation on Macintels.
    Best regards, Thomas H. "

    The original comments on the problem from readers didn't mention it was a MS Word only issue, as I'd posted that Office 2004 11.3.9 update (with a quote from MS that it "fixes an issue that causes Word 2004 to quit unexpectedly when you print a document") in the Nov. 6th news page here. (I've added a FYI on the Office update to the Rosetta printing preset crashes posting.)
    BTW - I wrote one of the readers that had previously reported the problem of using printer presets (created w/Univ. apps) with Rosetta:

    " Mike, I'm not sure what printing issue the Office 11.3.9 patch fixed, Again from their own notes on the update it "fixes an issue that causes Word 2004 to quit unexpectedly when you print a document"-Mike) but it wasn't the Universal/Rosetta preset issue. I have all the latest updates and Word or any office app will still lock up or q(uits) when choosing a preset created in a Universal app. Again, it only seems to happen with certain printers selected, in my case a Xerox DocuColor 240. I can select an Epson proofer in the office and switch between any preset with no problem.
    I'm running 10.4.10 on a Mac Pro. I haven't tried updating to 10.4.11 yet, but I didn't see any printing issues that were resolved in the release notes. I'll let you know if anything fixes the problem.
    -Ben "
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